if b-- if we want to debate whether or not doma, which was signed into law by president clinton, should be the law of the land, that's a different question. in terms of whether or not the federal government is on the side of enforcing doma or not, i think the supreme court is really going to be looking at the california supreme court case to the california supreme court -- did they decide rightly or wrongly? is it narrowly defined for the state of california? should it be applied nationally? i think those are the questions, not a popularity contest on which lawyer represents which side. >> all right. amy holmes, maria cardona. thank you for talking with us. robust conversation to say the least. >> good to have you, victor. >> you know what -- you know what randi's putting up with every time. >> exactly. >>> listen to this -- >> you can hear clear? how does it make you feel? >> good. >> that's a 7-year-old boy wearing an ear device that hunters use for sport. find out why his parents had to resort to buying it just so their son can hear. it's a cnn saturday morning exclusive. w what you'